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Stamped Trail - akram - 31 Jan 11 Received this today in an email Quote:Hi- I know myself and a few others that aren't in the club anymore attended these meetings in Heely, actually Kevin may have attended one also. this is something we need to look into. Seems like a good job for our PR rep. but I know he is as busy if not more than the rest of us. I will do my best to talk to them but I have very little time during the day. If anyone else has time and can contact them to find out info let me know. This can drastically effect us wheeling this area. I actually know we didn't testify on behalf of anything but our user group. We talked about how we still want to be able to use the area. They mentioned an are like the CHSR rec area and as many know our usergroup is not allowed in that area. so this is something we have to stay on top of. I will research the HB's and such to see what they say. Stamped Trail - ak_petey - 31 Jan 11 Im interested in attending meetings. supporting etc. I shot an email out requesting more information to get involved. Stamped Trail - akram - 31 Jan 11 Thanks Peter. I sent her an e-mail to let her know the club got the email and is interested in this. Like I said I will do a little research on the matter and see what all I can find out. Stamped Trail - AKMark - 31 Jan 11 I went to a meeting back in the day with Nate, Ron, TJ, Eric and Kevin. Maybe you were there too. I'd be willing to assist if it's wanted. Stamped Trail - akram - 31 Jan 11 Here is a link to the senate bill http://www.legis.state.ak.us/PDF/27/Bills/SB0060A.PDF now I read this compared to the old HB 241 and it is the same. The same issue is brought up though that we brought up at the meeting and ever since. I made some print bold for you to pay attention to. The All terrain vehicles does not include us. The other established motorized use can. When Sen. Thomas originally wrote to us about this in April 2007 he specifically mentioned our Club and our use of the area. It is definately worth getting a little more info on this matter and contacting you state rep for your deistrict and your state senator. Quote: Link to the house bill http://www.legis.state.ak.us/PDF/27/Bills/HB0113A.PDF link to a previous discussion about this http://www.arcticoffroad.com/forum/threads/4872-Denali-Stampede-land-use-and-recreation I think we need to establish the intent of the senator and rep. also the committee and commissioner. I'm not real sure who the commissioner is that would make all the decisions as to what is compatable and incompatable with the are. Stamped Trail - ak_petey - 31 Jan 11 definitely need to get ORV put in there![COLOR="Silver"] ---------- Post added at 08:15 pm ---------- Previous post was at 08:14 pm ---------- [/COLOR]I know I am a fairly new member, but isn't speaking out to elected officials and such (representing AO) supposed to be an official AO representative? I do not want to step over my boundaries as a member. Stamped Trail - akram - 31 Jan 11 Yes it is. we have a PR guy(s). One of which is deployed at the moment and one of which is severely busy with work, life and such. I as the president and going to do what I can to follow up on this with the help of the other officers. Writing emails, letters or phone calls from an individual is encouraged. An official representative of the club will contact them on behalf of the club. Here is a link to the denali borough resolution http://www.denaliborough.govoffice.com/vertical/Sites/%7B63112C6F-13FC-4147-831D-8F3F0E33EC53%7D/uploads/%7B8DD13240-2170-4B55-AE7E-C17430382896%7D.PDF Stamped Trail - ak_petey - 31 Jan 11 *ORHV edit Stamped Trail - akram - 31 Jan 11 The problem with it is the state's definition of it. ATV is defined as 1500lbs or less I believe for Alaska. I don't know what the definition of an ORV, OHV is or is they even have one. Stamped Trail - 78calico - 31 Jan 11 OHV as defined by state of alaska is 10,000 or less GVW and are legal anywhere in AK on state land not specifically designated non-motorized or 1500lb or less. BUT the tricky part is that it is as long as they are not damaging the ground. Now we all know that a certain portion of the population will scream bloody murder against mother earth if you can see as much as a tread imprint. The law is vague and open to interpretation. So yeah, we all need to make our voices heard so that our user group is SPECIFICALLY included in the allowed uses or someone is going to have to get busted and go to court to have the traditional uses under the RS2477 upheld. Stamped Trail - MudBuggy - 31 Jan 11 Looks like we need to be heard both as a club and individuals. It is important that we are not left out of the bill. I believe it is 1500lbs or less for ATVs which would be a stripped CJ with no cargo max. Stamped Trail - 78calico - 31 Jan 11 I just read the entire bill and the part that Mel posted up is the only part that leaves us with a chance at still having access. Specifically : Sec.41.21.403 Incompatable uses. (a) Except as provided in this section, the commissioner may prohibit or restrict uses determined to be incompatable with the purpose of the Stampede Recreation Area under AS 41.21.401 within the state-owned land and water described in AS41.21.405 (d) The commissioner shall (2) recognize the traditional use of existing motorized and non motorized uses in the area and conduct trail rehabilitation or reroute trails to minimize damage and avoid senesitive habitats. Unfortunately there are several other parts of the bill that I could see green activists turning into loopholes to exclude us and possibly even atv's. If the commissioner ends up being anti-OHV with the bill as is, I see nothing other than a courtcase that would really reassure our rights to use the area. RS2477 law would be the only thing we would have to claim traditional use. Careful here though. The rex trail is right across the highway. It is an RS2477 and was closed to OHV use. You can bet the same people who pushed for it's closure will be eyeballing the Stampede. Stamped Trail - ak_petey - 01 Feb 11 Ole is right. I will personally make an effort to be included and include myself in attempts to keeping this area open. ---------- Post added at 10:42 pm ---------- Previous post was at 10:42 pm ---------- Just let me know if there is anything I can do to help AO on this one- Reps, and Mel. ---------- Post added at 11:01 pm ---------- Previous post was at 10:42 pm ---------- 10 (b) The director of the division in the department that is responsible for state 11 parks shall appoint a citizens advisory board for the Stampede State Recreation Area, 12 with the majority of the board members residing in the Denali Borough. After 13 adequate public hearings and in consultation with the citizens advisory board and the 14 Denali Borough Assembly, the commissioner may designate incompatible uses and 15 shall adopt and may revise a management plan for the Stampede State Recreation 16 Area. This is where people in the Denali area are going to really be important in this area being apart of OHV having access. Are there any clubs down there that we are communicating with? ---------- Post added at 11:06 pm ---------- Previous post was at 11:01 pm ---------- and yes, the commisioner is going to play a HUGE role in this being a successful area to be obtained for use. Do we still want to get involved as an organization if OHV are discluded? I can see it being beneficial in the eyes of the public and getting support, but it could be a waste of time- I say any land use gain is better than nothing. Stamped Trail - RedneckYankee - 01 Feb 11 man I am so sick of seeing OHV closures around the U.S. Stamped Trail - Zukman - 01 Feb 11 The big reason the REX trail was closed was from trail braiding from ATV users. There are people who live out there that complained about the trail getting trashed from people not staying on the trail. Stamped Trail - ak_petey - 01 Feb 11 hey, i have an idea. the locals know more about what activity was actually going on. how do we get that side of the story out in the open where a "commissioner" may re- evaluate land right useage? I have heard lots about the rex trail and how fun it can be because of all the twists and turns. Stamped Trail - 78calico - 01 Feb 11 Zukman Wrote:The big reason the REX trail was closed was from trail braiding from ATV users. There are people who live out there that complained about the trail And those same people will be the ones that push to get the Stampede closed. There are quite a few locals who don't like outsiders in the area. That stupid movie didn't help matters. Stamped Trail - akram - 01 Feb 11 Correct Ole. The locals can and are one of our biggest opponents in this. Most of them wanted to shut the area down so the wildlife could flourish. A lot don't even like the dog mushers back in there much less us. Stamped Trail - ak_petey - 01 Feb 11 Doh. Looks like a legal fight to me Stamped Trail - ChevyKev - 01 Feb 11 I actually didn't go down for that meeting, as it was on a Wednesday and I work Wednesday evenings. I will be making my voice heard on this. OHV would be a good addition. I also think that our going out in the Winter only (so far) will be a benefit to our voice being heard. We could go out during other times of year, but choose to go in winter so that we don't damage the trail. This shows our land-friendliness. Not that I would specificall want to be limited to winter only - I do know some folks last year that went out in early summer. Also, our use of a trail groomer will also be important to bring up. Stamped Trail - akram - 01 Feb 11 I want to encourage each of you to please write, email, call, fax or whatever you local representative and senate. There is a thread under land use with their information for quick reference. If it is wrong please let me know so I can fix it. When writing these folks be professional and courteous. Be precise about why you are writing them and the desired outcome you wish to see from your correspondence to them. I can tell you from experience that sometimes when you write these people it can be the first time they really know anything about it. Or know that the people they represent are concerned with the matter. But every person who contacts them opens their eyes a little more. One thing we want to stress to them is our wish to keep this are open to the current use of our usergroup. Also rewording of the bills to include OHV, ORV or whatever official term they use for our rigs. Not just ATV's amd remiond them we are not ATV's. As of right now there are no trails in the state parks system that our usergroup is allowed on. This is what happened in the Chena Hotsprings road Rec area. The trails got closed down to us due to lack of representation and lack of people standing up for us and our interests. Let's make sure this doesn't happen again. Stamped Trail - ak_petey - 01 Feb 11 ELECTED OFFICIALS THREAD: http://www.arcticoffroad.com/forum/threads/9710-Elected-Officials Stamped Trail - akram - 01 Feb 11 Received in a reply to an email Quote: Howdy- I will try to find out when the next meeting is and see if folks have time ti attend it. Stamped Trail - akram - 01 Feb 11 It is good to know that this isn't the group that wanted to shut us out. Stamped Trail - big_bad_jeep - 02 Feb 11 i dont know if this helps but i have a really really good friend that was elected here recently she has a good voice its tammy wilson.. im really good friends with the family. Stamped Trail - akram - 02 Feb 11 Wayne of course it will help. In the aspect that we need to write the senators and reps to voice our concern. If they know our concern and where we stand it helps. We don't want to be left out that is for sure. Received this today Quote:Friends-I am also attaching their purpose statement. Friends of Stampede.pdf (Size: 98.44 KB / Downloads: 4) |